Discussion post: Angelina Jolie is “very uncool”
November 11, 2008 by Sherry
I want to preface this post by saying that I had no intentions of writing about this topic, mainly because this is a Brad Pitt and Angeline Jolie website. It is not, on the other hand, a Jennifer Aniston site. While she was married to Brad for a long time, she is not a part of his life anymore and I have little reason to write about her; that goes all ways. I don’t make a habit of writing about Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliette Lewis, Billy Bob Thorton, or anyone else they were involved with. I write about Brad Pitt, I write about Angelina Jolie, and I write about things that involve the two of them.
However, I can’t remember the last time I’ve had my inbox overflowing. So many people have emailed me to ask what I think of the new Vogue cover where Jennifer Aniston declares that Angelina Jolie was “very uncool” in regards to her comments to Vogue a year or so earlier when she said that she couldn’t wait to get to work on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith.
I am so hesitant to delve into this topic because I don’t want a war to explode in my comments, but ask and ye shall receive. Let’s discuss it then.
In the new December 2008 issue of Vogue, Jennifer Aniston was asked, point blank, her thoughts on Angeline Jolie. Never mind the fact that I think the article’s author really needs to let go of news that is four years old, but Jennifer did respond to some of the questions.
On being bothered that Angelina recounted a detailed timeline of how she fell in love with Brad Pitt on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith: “There was stuff printed there that was definitely from a time when I was unaware that it was happening. I felt those details were a little inappropriate to discuss. That stuff about how she couldn’t wait to get to work every day? That was really uncool.
On if she ever speaks to Brad: “[We've exchanged] a few very kind hellos … and congratulations on your babies… [We] had an amicable split … The marriage didn’t work out.”
People have emailed me to ask how I feel about it. Well, really, how should I feel about it? I’m not involved in any way, I don’t know every detail, I don’t know what happened behind closed doors. I’ll tell you what I believe though.
1. I believe that Brad and Angelina truly did not become involved intimately while he was still married to Jennifer. When they separated, yes, but when they were still fully wed, I truly do believe that there was nothing physical. If you look at photos from the Mr. & Mrs. Smith premiere, they don’t even stand and pose together like co-stars usually do. To me, that’s striking – they were avoiding being together in any way at all.
2. I believe they fell in love while they worked together. And you know what? It happens. You can’t help who you fall in love with and you can’t dictate when it happens. People fall in love with other people all the time and it’s usually beyond your control. What they COULD control was whether they acted – officially – on it. And you can see point one on that – I don’t think they did. But regardless of how much you can control what you do and do not do, you can’t control what you do and do not feel.
3. I believe that Brad and Jennifer’s marriage was doomed to fail. Regardless of Angelina’s existence, I don’t believe that marriage would have lasted even if Mr. & Mrs. Smith had never happened. If their marriage was strong it would have been moot. If there were problems below the surface, they weren’t because of Angelina.
4. I believe that Jennifer Aniston has every right to feel the way she does – as I said, you can’t always control what you feel. I don’t believe anyone can “steal” someone’s husband or wife – they aren’t property, they’re people who make choices. But either way, Jennifer lost her husband when they separated and subsequently divorced. She lost someone she loved very much. In the real, non-Hollywood world, if you don’t have children you can divorce someone and pretend they don’t exist, but Brad and Angelina are A-list celebrities on the cover of countless magazines and on websites. It would be hard for her to ignore their relationship unless she lived in the woods for a few years.
I get Jennifer’s position. I really do. I think that if she wants to move on – as she has hinted in the past – that she may have been wiser to refuse to discuss it. But, again, you can’t always control how you feel. She’s a human being just like all of us and she was hurt. I’ve been hurt. You’ve probably been hurt too. It’s not a great feeling to have your feelings hurt or your heart broken.
So there you go. In answer to the question as to how I feel about this new Vogue cover and interview… well I feel ambivalent mostly because I don’t think it’s news, and I don’t think she’s wrong to be hurt by what Angelina said – just like I don’t think it’s wrong that Brad Pitt and Angelina fell in love, stood back and waited, and then acted on it when the marriage ended.
I apologize, I am coming down with yet another cold and I’m hoping that this post isn’t disjointed as a result, but I think that it captures the essence of my feelings on this long-drawn-out triangle.
Since I was asked to discuss it, I ask you to discuss it too. However, as always I request respect. Please respect me, respect this site, respect each other, respect Brad and Angelina, and yes – respect Jennifer Aniston too. Debate is always okay as long as it’s not nasty or meant strictly to bait nastiness. I’ve never kept it a secret that I also like Jennifer. I’m a bigger fan of Angelina and of Brad, but I never missed a single episode of Friends and I’ve seen most of her movies. And like I mentioned – she’s still a human being with feelings no matter what your opinion of her is.
So let’s discuss the article, but let’s keep it clean and respectable like we always do!
Ready, set, go!
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Everything happen for a reason. I believe if there is an action, there is always a reaction. Besides with the technology this “new age”, news travels faster than light. Remember how Elizabethth Taylor “stole” Eddie Fisher from Debbie Reynolds, while they were still married? The news didn’t last long, not even a year. The only thing I am amaze is at the media, why & how they get to publish news that are not true? They need to be sued for being libel, and there should be regulations to control them.
So glad to have a spot to say something I’ve thought for awhile now seeing all the various reports…
I have never been a “fan” of any of the three people, but I do really like Brad/Angelina and the kiddies and hope the relationship and the kids last and set a wonderful model for others to think of for their own lives, particularly in the fishbowl in which they live.
I always thought the couple of Brad/Jennifer was not probably a lasting one because remarks I’d read from him in the past seemed to show that he was evolving and moving toward the activist he is today and she just never was comfortable with that. Right after 9/11 there was a blurb about him speaking out politically and (the article)stating she was not comfortable and was one who wanted to “withdraw” and stay out of politics. There was a photo that pretty well spoke exactly that. I also saw video coverage of that and she appeared uncomfortable and this was before all that followed. I have always thought that in Angelina (though I was surprised by that couple as well), he just finally met the person who shared his worldview. Nothing against Jennifer A. – it’s two people growing up and going different ways. I think she has used all the fodder for her own purposes, however, and that is what is uncool and speaks to the fact that perhaps she hasn’t moved on or grown on her own.
I am looking forward to seeing Brad on Oprah, since Oprah vowed not to have him on her show because of her friendship with Jennifer. I have always thought it was the heighth of hypocrisy for Oprah to take this stand when she doesn’t with so many other people and because really, she shares Brad/Angelina’s worldview more, particularly in regard to Katrina. It would be the bomb if she landed the first ever interview with the whole family, though I have mixed feelings about that and their privacy. And then I’d have to wonder if she just would be doing it for ratings.
I saw Jennifer A. on Oprah yesterday and there was a portion where I thought she and Oprah were less “friendly” than they have been and the expression on Oprah’s face going to one break was interesting…like she was trying to assess if Jennifer was angry or feeling “betrayal” etc.
Plus, it is not the first time nor the last that a union didn’t last because someone wanted a large family and the other partner did not. It’s why we should know those things before we commit.
Thanks and I have enjoyed all the comments here.
Sorry! I also wanted to say that we read of so many people (not just “famous” ones) who reassessed their lives after 9/11 and made major changes and those changes didn’t always fit in with their friends and families. The thought has crossed my mind that here we might see an example of such a reassessment of his life in Brad Pitt.
JPF: I can’t stand Jennifer and have never watched a movie of hers unless forced to!
Maybe it’s because I never watched Friends, that I can say these things. I have no interest in her.
ON HOLDING ON AND LETTING GO, WHO HAS THE POWER ON ONE’S LIFE. I don’t know if I’m remembering this precisely, but someone posted about their stepmother’s life being ruined by a previous husband. Well, yes and no. When it first happens, the cheating husband ruins his wife’s happiness, self-esteem, her whole life if she’s built it totally around and on him – especially if she has no independent identity. The most serious part of grieving any kind of loss usually takes a year, more or less, with the pain diminishing over time (there are studies on this).
IMO, your stepmother cheated your father. She never commited to him fully because she’s still living partly in the past holding on to the memory of her ghost first husband. Will her first husband ever make amends to her? No. So she has the choice of accepting that fact and letting go of her anger and resentment (maybe she can beat a pillow with a plastic bat, take up kickboxing, scream at the ocean – that’s actually very therapeautic, burn an effigy, whatever works for her), and use all that energy to live joyfully in the present.
Many people have said something similar to this: No one has power over me unless I give it to them. This is very hard to get – it was for me. It’s an aha! moment – like the song “Amazing Grace”: “was blind, but now I see.” Someone can hurt me, but unless I keep the hurt – they and it can’t keep hurting me.
UNDER MOD:
ON HOLDING ON AND LETTING GO, WHO HAS THE POWER ON ONE’S LIFE. I don’t know if . . .
P.S. to my post above -
Some people only feel alive when they’re in pain and so they choose to live in pain.
ON THE AGONY OF BEING CHEATED ON AND INADVERTENTLY BEING THE OTHER WOMAN. (apologies in advance, this is going to be a very long post because Serious made several very important points)
Serious, you’ve made your case very well – obviously you’ve thought it over carefully. I agree with one of your points. In one of my posts I said: Yes, I think people have taken marriage and commitment too lightly lately and are too quick to separate and divorce. But after making good faith efforts to work things out, after couples counseling, after finding out that even with the love that exists the two are not a good enough fit, have divergent life goals, world views, ideas of happiness – I see no point in couples staying together to lead lives of quiet desperation degenerating into bitterness full of lies, affairs and hypocrisy. Much better to cut your losses, find honest happiness and lead mores productive lives – not to mention keeping the damage to the children (and there will always be damage to the children, the question is how much and deep) as minimum as possible. There are studies that an unhappy marriage damages children more than happy divorced couples. (BTW, the leading causes of divorce are disagreements over 1) money, 2) children, 3) I forget but it wasn’t infidelity.)
Also, I think just because other posters haven’t directly addressed your comments doesn’t necessarily mean some of them don’t partially or totally agree with you. It might just mean that if others have already said what they were going to say, they didn’t want to add unnecessary length to the thread.
My husband and his ex- were together 12 years and they might still be together if she had agreed to couples counseling. She did have an affair with a married co-worker and moved out, but he changed his mind. (Hubby & ex- really did have an amicable divorce because he wanted her to be happy, she & I would do things together once in a great while and hubby would babysit the kids, she came to our wedding, we went to her wedding – that’s California hippies for you!)
UNDER MOD:
ON THE AGONY OF BEING CHEATED ON AND INADVERTENTLY BEING THE OTHER WOMAN.
Serious, I agree . . .
Ligaya, very well said. I totally agree with you.
wow..regardless from whats part of the continent you are. any celebrity will do anything to gain publicity, to be talked about just to sell a movie. any publication will also resort to controversies and sensationalism just to add to circulation numbers. and in some indirect ways, we are helping them.
Ligaya, very nicely stated. 51 years of marriage andwould have been through many different problems. In my husbands culture they could have a wife, children and a little something going on on the side. Woman with children feel they need to stay together for the childrens sake. But then there comes a times when the woman feels she can manage on her own and no longer wants to live that way any longer. Wow than hubby realizes that she willl not tolerate this any longer and he then has to decide, the little something on the side or this woman and children. He realizes that he really is wrong, takes years for trust to be gained, but they work through it. I believe that if he hadn’t made that decision that the woman would be strong enough to go on on her own. She would hurt for a while but she would have grown stronger and would not have become a long suffering victim.
dianad1968 – both of your comments on 11/13 and 11/14 are excellent. I have always thought this way but never could have expressed them as well as you have.
Has Angelina ever said something about it? I don’t believe I’ve ever heard an apology from her, as well as an apology to Billy Bob Thorton’s fiancee. She tries to move on with life like she’s spotless, but in fact she’s caused a lot of damage. It’s no wonder this still lingers on in Aniston’s mind. When you don’t receive apologies, how can wounds heal?
Mary Ann, thank you for your kind words. To say Jen’s latest fraudulent PR generated interview has infuriated is an understatement. I do think she underestimated the public’s intelligence…except for some hard-core fans, and unfortunately the entertainment shows who will use this to fatten their wallets. She may just have signed her death warrent in Hollywood, as she also criticised SATC. How juvenile and unprofessional. No intelligent person will attack other actors’ shows or movies. That is just to show Jennifer’s true character.
I watched Ms Aniston on Oprah on youtube and I speculated about her image (true or created) of “good girl next door ” and the need of some of her followers to belittle – or worse- Ms Jolie. -(The same could be said of some of Ms Jolie’s fans).
JA’s many qualities are of the kind that women can identify with: girlish charm , innocence (true or acted) , laughter, down to earth beauty, intelligence . Nothing too threatening , and with those she had married one of the most handsome man in the movies (hopes were raised for many , I think…) thereby creating the “fairy tale” .
With the appearance of Ms Jolie , the “fairytale” was shattered: the “vixen” had easily won the heart of the “prince”, and she happened to possess also (and in abundance) courage, intelligence, caring etc..(she happened to be Woman more than Cinderella).
Unfortunately these qualities create in some people envy and jealousy rather that sympathy or desire to emulate .
The more Ms Jolie’s qualities won over M. Pitt and gathered praises letting “the other woman” story fade in the background, the more those who strongly identify with Ms Aniston’s plight (as they would have lived it) express their anger, envy and search for criticism onto Ms Jolie. It does not matter if in order to do so they must invent the past as they need it to have happened, or deny the present events.
Some men are attracted to one type , and I hope John Mayer is one of them . M. Pitt was obviously more attracted to the other and had the courage to follow it. The decision he made was a mature one, and was probably not made easily or without pain . But we only have to look at what a loving, happy and humanitarian couple he and Ms Jolie have become 4 years later despite all the negativity and relentless criticism that surrounds them to know that, however long it will last, it was worth it for them and for us too.
Aniston recently said on Oprah that she “doesn’t go there” but she did. She could have told the interviewer that she prefer not to go there. But she did. She’s bitter towards Angelina but is “warm” towards Brad. Obviously she’s still carrying a torch for him. Angelina and Brad could have began an affair at the time they were filming Mr. & Mrs. Smith, but they walked away. They didn’t go there. What happened between Brad and Jennifer were between them. Jennifer needs to accept that decision and learn “not to go there” and get on with her life.
The comments are being re-hashed on Oprah.
I can’t watch it, as on dial-up internet speed:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/13/jennifer-aniston-on-oprah_n_143699.html
A storm in a teacup.
I would like to apologize in advance for this very long post. I’m a fan of JP and this is my first blog post since I feel it is important to share a couple of interesting comments that I found in the web regarding Jen’s comment about Angelina being uncool. A reader, named Michelle, posted a response to an article in LA Times’ The Envelop titled: “Jennifer Aniston to Angelina Jolie: Zip it!” Michelle posted that she works in Hollywood and that she knows all the players. She mentioned that Jen had said in earlier interviews that no one cheated and Brad and Angie had said the same in subsequent interviews. I recall hearing those interviews of Jen in the early days of her divorce from Brad and I also remember the separate interviews of Brad and then of Angie during the early days after they first came out in public that they had become an item. All 3 of them had said that no one cheated. Michelle went on to give a timeline of when she thought Brad finally wore down Angie’s reluctance to having a relationship with him. I recall Angie saying in an interview that she was very cautious of having a relationship with Brad because they would be taking a big chance and she had her son Maddox to consider. She had said that they had agreed to let Maddox decide if they should be a family. Michelle’s post is an interesting read and I would have to agree with what she said. Another post that I want to mention in response to the same article and this time from GetYourFactsStraight. The blogger quoted Perez Hilton’s website which pointed out the inconsistencies in Jen’s comments in the past and up to the present. I particularly want to point out this comment: * “I don’t think he started an affair physically, but I think he was attracted to her,” says Courteney Cox, who vacationed with her husband, David Arquette, and the Pitts on Anguilla just before they announced their separation. “There was a connection, and he was honest about that with Jen. Most of the time, when people are attracted to other people, they don’t tell. At least he was honest about it. It was an attraction that he fought for a period of time.” Based on this comment from Courtney Cox, it’s obvious that when they separated Jen knew how Brad felt about Angie. Now for Jen to say that uncool comment about Angie because she did not know what was happening at that time, Jen is obviously not being truthful. Here’s what I believe, Brad did not cheat on Jen with Angie. All 3 of them had said no one cheated so I don’t question their integrity; at least, I don’t question Brad’s and Angie’s integrity. Besides, if Brad was cheating at that time, he would not have been honest to Jen about his feelings for Angie. He would have hidden it. Another thing I believe, Jen made that uncool comment because she was trying to create controversy in order to bring attention to her new movie and I think she also wanted to paint Angie in a bad a light. Everyone has been talking about Angie lately, about how great she looks and her Oscar note worthy performance in the Changeling. By bring up the past and making that uncool comment I think Jen wanted to ruin Angie’s public image and to bring attention to herself instead as the poor innocent victim. I have included in this post the link to the LA Times’ the Envelop article that I mentioned.
hi!sherry thanks to open this uncool comments and I agree with you sherry, that they fell in love and became physically intimate after the divorce or seperation.jeniffer aniston should not reopen this issue! my goodness its been four years already she cannot reopen this uncool comments about angelina just for publicity and obviously she has a film to promote right?before I really like her because Im the fans of brad pitt but I FOUND HER SO TALKATIVE! EVERY interview a lot of negative comments about brad, a lot of couple like nicole and tom they keep it privately unlike her she always reopen, blamed angelina jolie for the failure of their marriage. IF brad really loves her whatever happen he shoud not leave her nomatter what happens. so its very clear brad have the right to choose after 5 years together he realized they are not compatible to each others and I dont think so that she really like chidren if she likes until now shes chidless! so she can blamed herself for the failure of hre marriage and not to comments for what angelina said. brad have the right to choose to be happy. nobody is perfect and I REALLY ADMIRE ANGELINA JOLIE FOR BEING SO COOL! THANKS SHERRY AND HAVE A NICE WEEKEND!
with jennifer using the phrase “uncool” it shows her mentally has not matured, as a woman almost 40 could at least talk with a higher level of intellect when being interviewed in a magazine. i divorced my husband of 2 years and married his best friend not realizing his bestfriend only wanted to have an affair. when i filed for divorce and called and informed him was he ever thrown for a loop. i did not realize he only wanted an affair and unfortunate for him i was not that type of person, anyway he paid for my divorce and we dated for about a year and have been married for 38 years now. my then husband got over it and they remained friends up until his death. he remarried an old flame from highschool and they had a couple of children. my husband and i had one beautiful daughter and have a darling grandson 18 months old. sometimes things are meant to be and you just move on.
Stay decent Jennifer, Angelina is the better lady for Brad.
Angelina Jolie has so far done the best part of a loving wife to Brad and mother to the kids they together have. I salute them both. So stay on the bright side for yourself and learn to share love to your partner more than to yourself, Jen.
i meant mentality not mentally in my first sentence, i need to get disinvolved in this subject, i am hoping all this does not ruin it for any oscars coming up. i have yet to see a movie anniston showed any a-list talent in, she’s just an ‘actress’ like many overpaid ones that just doesn’t have that ‘it’ factor. sorry jen but maybe mayer could have you as a duet.
If my husband and another woman fell in love while working together and when we divorced, he started dating her and then four years later tells everyone how she can’t wait to go to work every day, I would NOT have cared!!!
FOUR YEARS!!
Unless I was sooooo miserable and still hung up on my ex-husband then yes, I’ll be hurt and upset. But if I honestly told the world that I am happy now and moved on, I wouldn’t have said that that woman was uncool… I would’ve just said, “People fall in love and sometimes marriages work and they don’t… But I’m happy for them and wish them the best…”
CLEARLY, Jennifer Aniston is NOT over Brad to say that Angelina was “uncool” for saying what she said two years ago!!!
I bet you though. If Jennifer Aniston would’ve had a child with Brad during the filming of Mr. & Mrs. Smith, I don’t think Brad would’ve left Jennifer Aniston at all! Because that’s what he wanted out of a marriage… having a family. But Jennifer Aniston was not ready nor did she wanted to have kids any time soon. Brad is getting older and wanted kids. He even made a comment a long time ago before meeting Angelina about how he didn’t want to be too old when he has kids because he wouldn’t be able to play with his kids….
and also, during their split, didn’t Jennifer Aniston tell Oprah how happy she is that Brad is gone because she no longer have to worry about his taste in furniture and can now sit comfortably in her own sofa? Obviously, she was unhappy already!
Get over Brad, woman!!!
dianad1968, I had exactly the same thought about Brad speaking up once and for all. I know Brad and Angie would not care if it came from the tabloids, but these were Jen’s words, not tabloids. He should clear this up at least for their children’s benefit. It would be terrible for the kids if their classmates at school told them in their face “your mother is a homewrecker”, or something like that. The truth should come out so that this saga will stop. It may not stop completely but it will certainly help.
I saw the video clip of Jen on Oprah show and I agreed with some of you that Jen did not explain her Vogue comment very well. When Oprah asked her why she did so, Jen said “I don’t know, maybe it’s just me”. Then she went on and said “it’s 100 years old… 100 years to be exact”. I think she was very dishonest when saying that. I had a lot of respect for Jen before, but after this show and the whole Vogue incident, my respect for her has gone.
This has been a very difficult issue. It seems you are either a part of Team-Jolie or Team-Anistion.
I for one, don’t want to take sides. I am a fan of all three of these actors. I love the Jolie-Pitts and their explanding family and I enjoy Aniston’s films.
However, I feel bad for Jennifer. Some of you with your comments that she “needs to get over it”…..I am assuming you have never been hurt like that. When you commit to someone and promise to be with them until “death do you part”, it can be devastating when it all ends. My husband left me and our child for another woman and it almost killed me. (And thank God….she didn’t look as beautiful as Angelina…that would have been so much worse!!) Even though my ex-husband and I were not good together and it was best that we separated….divorce is still so sad and such a dark time. I remarried a wonderful man and we have three more children together. He is an incredible husband and father to our four children. I am happier than I have ever been. My husband and ex-husband get along well. They both coached our daughter in softball and we all get along. But, I am human and there are times I am irriatated with him. Divorce is such an ugly thing to live through (it can also be an incredbile blessing!). And it doesn’t just affect you….your family and friends are affected by this also.
I think we should give Jennifer a break. So what if she makes a comment here or there. It is her right. And she has been silent for a long time.
I think Angelina and Brad were meant to be together, I just wish that Brad and Jennifer were divorced first. Unfortuantely, this “controversy” is going to always follow them.
Bottom line, none of us know what happened between these three.
Fan of all three
” You can fool some people for a long time, you can fool everybody fort short time, but you can not fool everybody for ever”
I was about to give Jen a chance but i changed my mind after reading some above post. She’s not a good person.
I saw the video of Angie tearing up. i’m sad because i wonder if it relate some how to the X’s comments.
And another thing, Brad just loves Angelina more by this negative comment, try to find some positive note, so Angelina wins!!
peace.
Thanks for sharing the space for comments and discussion. I liked brad before angie, not too crazy about jen – she never felt too genuine during that time.
I was concerned when I first saw the article -wondering what kind of mud was going to be splashed. As I read comments, I think part of jen’s sharing is that this was probably around the time when her marriage was unraveling and the end was in sight, not just something to work through. So though it was 4 years ago – its possible that the leading up to what we saw (final pictures of them on vacation and the subsequent announcement in the media was a lot more emotional.) Jen seemed fine on the Oprah show.
I do think that a huge part of the separation and divorce was brad’s great desire for children. I remember seeing his interview with Diane Sawyer – for one of the ocean’s movies – and he was choked and about to cry, talking about a hope for kids.
i definitely like brad with angelina, and i love that he has all these kids. i hope there are more to come.
I have read the comments posted with interest.
From what I recall from several years ago, Jen reportedly suffered a miscarriage whilst married to Brad. At that point she threw herself into her work and that seems to have been her way of dealing with what must have been a traumatic experience. This makes the comments about Jen being too selfish to ‘give’ Brad kids a bit wide of the mark – a miscarriage is something that some folk never recover from.
I also recall there being some reports, when they married, stating that she wanted kids right away but that he didn’t as it might tarnish his image and affect his career: she had apparently agreed to wait until he felt ready………hmmmm
IF these reports were true, and of course I don’t know if they were, then it seems sad that after losing their baby, Brad couldn’t give Jen the time she needed to heal emotionally, especially when she had previously tried to give him the time he needed when she wanted kids and he didn’t. Men can father kids well into their 80’s – for women, time runs out faster so, maybe, Brad could have waited…..if this is indeed the truth – who knows.
People fall in and out of love all the time – I personally don’t feel that Brad or Angelina can be blamed for that! I just feel a little queasy when I see comments allegedly made by the latter extolling how she fell in love with someone and how great it was etc…… when the timing seems to indicate that he was still married to someone else. Regardless of the state of their marriage, he was off limits – that’s it – old fashioned, maybe, but that’s what many folk seem to think is right apparently.
The world has changed, we’re not necessarily bound by the moral restrictions of previous generations anymore, however, if my husband had left me and started up a relationship so soon (or before….who knows for sure?) I think I’d be moved to say more than Jen did! Especially if I’d gone on record as saying I believed that the new relationship had happened much later and then, a few years later, his new partner apparently contradicted this……!
Frankly, what goes on with Jen, Brad and Angelina has no bearing on anyone else’s lives, except for their families and friends. However, I suppose for me what irratates is that I would rather, if any of them had to say anything at all, they had simply been more honest right from the start. Maybe then we wouldn’t be talking about this four years on….
I sincerely hope that the media will eventually stop trying to cause friction and just let this lie. I am beginning to think that some people won’t be happy until they see Jen and Angelina slugging it out in a boxing ring – lets’ hope they keep their dignity and don’t succomb to slanging matches…..!
Just my opinion and as I said, I don’t know any more than anyone else does about what really happened – but I fear that all the while we as ‘fans’ buy into the circus the media are perpetuating, these three will continue to be dragged through the mud.
Peace to all.
Such a fun subject! Angelina appears to say what’s on her mind when she is talking about her personal life and over the years as she has “leaked” more information about her hook-up w/ Brad. I think she is madly in love and a bit surprised about it still and just can’t help gushing in her own way
As for Ms. Aniston – please! As many readers have commented – if you want something to disappear DON’T TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE! She is clearly still jilted and her instinct is to hurt someone for it. Human, no doubt, but in her case she can’t have her “why, oh why is everyone talking about this?” cake and talk about it too!
Mmm, I personally wouldn’t classify Jennifer’s comments as hurting anyone – if she was aiming for that, she was wide of themark as it was a very restrained and considered comment. She stated an opinion, that what Angelina had previously said was inappropriate, given that both she and Brad had insisted that nothing happened between them until after he split from Jennifer. Angelina’s comments appear to contradict that and frankly why shouldn’t Jennifer make a comment under those circumstances – why is it ok for one of them to say what’s on her mind but not the other.
This is the first time I’ve seen any kind of comment from Jennifer, (maybe she has and I’ve not seen it) until now I believe that she’s simply said that it was all in the past – perhaps it was, until Angelina made her comments…..first – who is trying to hurt whom here?
That said, I can’t understand why any of US would need to be unkind about any of THEM. Their lives are nothing to do with us, and as I’ve stated before, all that moves me to comment is the apparent dishonesty and the presumtion that it’s ok for Angelina and Brad to ‘gush’ about how loved up they are but the minute Jennifer opens her mouth, she’s vilefied as being a bitter, twisted, woman living in the past. That is simply unfair and unkind.
If reports from before are to be believed, Angelina used to go to the set wearing no underwear to tease Brad (still married…) and if reports from yesterday are to believed, Angelina has ‘flown into a jealous rage’ about Brad still being in contact with Jennifer (and yet she is still in contact with her ex husbands………hmm, Angelina can’t have it both ways, that’s called being a hypocrite isn’t it? Or perhaps, yet again, all such reports are just hype and lies put out by the media – who knows for sure.
Maybe we shouldn’t believe everything we read, they will all get on with their lives regardless of what we all think about them! I just don’t get this whole ‘team Ansiton’ versus ‘team Jolie’ thing at all I’m afraid. I take no pleasure from either of these ladies being upsst or hurt – they are after all just two women who happen to have loved the same man- they are not the first and they won’t be the last. I just don’t undertand other women (and men) getting the knives out for either of them.
Just my opinion.
Peace to all.
Sarah, I’m really curious about the origin of these rumors of miscarriage and wanting kids as soon as they married and that Brad didn’t, because I’ve NEVER EVER heard them. And that’s REALLY INCREDULOUS since we know the tabs hash and rehash everything. Why hasn’t this surfaced before? And resurfaced again and again?
The timing of falling in love is not something we can control – just as getting sad or angry or happy or afraid isn’t. Having sex with someone who hasn’t separated permanently from a previous relationship is something we *can* control. And Brad and Angelina didn’t have sex before he separated from X – according to all 3 of them. Having sex after separation, especially after the judge has signed off on the divorce papers, while still technically married and before the 6-month waiting period is over, is kosher and done all the time. X and Vince Vaughn did, and so did Brad and Angelina, and thousands of others. My husband and I lived together 9 years before we decided to get married, and it was then that he and his ex- filed for divorce so he wouldn’t commit bigamy. What – we weren’t supposed to have sex for 9 years!?! I don’t think so.
There are lots of ifs built on top of other ifs in your post – it’s all baseless unprovable speculation. And a lot of morals are culturally based – they change over time too. So what you may think is right and has forever been and forever will be, others may think is wrong and came about just a few hundred years ago and will change a couple of hundred years from now.
Please see the quotes X said in 2005 and 2008 which I’ll post below. I think you’ll find them informative.
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Sarah, I’m really curious about the origin of these rumors. . .There are lots of ifs built on top of other ifs in your post . . .all speculation. . .
Please see quotes by X, Courteney Cox, and others from 2005 and 2008 below.
Vogue 2008:
* What really rankled Aniston about the piece was that Jolie felt the need to recount a detailed timeline of exactly how her relationship developed on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith, while Aniston was still married to and living with Pitt. “There was stuff printed there that was definitely from a time when I was unaware that it was happening,” says Aniston.
Vanity Fair 2005:
* “She wasn’t naïve,” says Aniston pal Kristin Hahn. “She’s not suggesting she didn’t know there was an enchantment, and a friendship [between Pitt and Jolie].”
* “I don’t think he started an affair physically, but I think he was attracted to her,” says Courteney Cox, who vacationed with her husband, David Arquette, and the Pitts on Anguilla just before they announced their separation. “There was a connection, and he was honest about that with Jen. Most of the time, when people are attracted to other people, they don’t tell. At least he was honest about it. It was an attraction that he fought for a period of time.”
Vogue 2007, Angelina Jolie’s actual quote:
* “Because of the film, we ended up being brought together to do all these crazy things, and I think we found this strange friendship and partnership that kind of just suddenly happened. I think a few months in I realized, ‘God, I can’t wait to get to work.’ … Anything we had to do with each other, we just found a lot of joy in it together and a lot of real teamwork. We just became kind of a pair.”
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Vogue 2008, Aniston.
Vanity Fair 2005: Kristin Hahn, Courteney Cox.
Vogue 2007, Angelina Jolie.
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quotes from, 2005, 2007, 2008.
Vogue 2008:
* “Well, it never was that bad,” she says, knowing that it will be hard for a lot of people to believe. “I mean, look, it’s not like divorce is something that you go, ‘Oooh, I can’t wait to get divorced!’ It doesn’t feel like a tickle. But I’ve got to tell you, it’s so vague at this point, it’s so faraway in my mind, I can’t even remember the darkness. I mean, in the end, we really had an amicable split. It wasn’t mean and hateful and all of this stuff that they tried to create about Brad can’t talk to Jen and Jen can’t talk to Brad because this person won’t allow it. It just didn’t happen. The marriage didn’t work out. And pretty soon after we separated, we got on the phone and we had a long, long conversation with each other and said a lot of things, and ever since we’ve been unbelievably warm and respectful of each other. Whoever said everything has to be forever, that’s setting your hopes too high.
Vanity Fair 2005:
* “Am I lonely? Yes. Am I upset? Yes. Am I confused? Yes. Do I have my days when I’ve thrown a little pity party for myself? Absolutely.
* “I don’t feel like a victim,” she says. “I’ve worked with this therapist for a long time, and her major focus is that you get one day of being a victim—and that’s it. Then we take responsibility for our own input. To live in a victim place is pointing a finger at someone else, as if you have no control. Relationships are two people; everyone is accountable. A lot goes into a relationship coming together, and a lot goes into a relationship falling apart.
* “There’s a sensitivity chip that’s missing,” she says.
Vogue 2008:
* These days, the public fascination with her relationship with Vince Vaughn seems almost quaint. I ask her if there’s anything else to be said about that time. “I call Vince my defibrillator,” she says with genuine affection. “He literally brought me back to life.
Vanity Fair 2005:
* When she arrived in Chicago to film The Break-Up, the gossip media, frantic for a new development, immediately plunged her into a torrid romance with her co-star, Vince Vaughn. This affair apparently does not exist.
* “I adore Vince Vaughn, but I’m not going out with Vince Vaughn,” she says. “I barely know the guy. We’ve exchanged a wine-and-cheese basket for the start of the movie, and we’ve gone out to dinner with the director and other people. We’ve got to get to know each other.”
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X quotes – Vogue 2008, Vanity Fair 2005, Vogue 2008, Vanity Fair 2005.
Fan of all three, it must be hard for you. You can’t assume that we who say X needs to get over it have never been hurt like that. I’ve been cheated on many times and others have posted that they’ve been cheated on too. Speaking from my own life experience (56 years at the end of this month) and 30 years work experience in the mental health field, X seems stuck in the denial/anger stages of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’ 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance). IMO, X will never achieve true, long-lasting happiness until she completes those stages and emotional separation from Brad. She’s young, beautiful and talented in her own right. I can’t believe she would want to spend the rest of her life without her own identity but just known as the ex-Mrs. Brad Pitt, even though some of her fans and the tabloids might want her to. Or maybe she wants to.
X has not been silent for a long time. I suggest you read the quotes I posted above from 2005, 2007 and 2008 for comparison. X has a right to make any comment she wants, and so does Angelina, So X shouldn’t be upset at anything Angelina says either, especially 4 years and 6 kids after X and Brad broke up, especially since X makes a big deal about how amicable the divorce was and it was 100 years ago, praising Brad to the skies while very pointedly not including Angelina and their in X’ well-wishes. That would *truly* have proved X’ sincerity and magnanimity.
We humans often forget that just because things are the way they are now that they weren’t always this way and that they aren’t always going to be this way – just look at technology and medicine. Same thing with love and marriage. I don’t know when the vow “until death do you part” started and if it’s universal around the world and in all religions. And the age of death is different in different eras and in different countries. I think at one time the average life expectancy in the U.S. was in the 30s, then 50s, and now 70s or 80s, lots of people live over 100 now – and people are divorcing in their 70s and 80s. It’s easy to stay married (affairs or no affairs) when divorce is illegal (but that does contribute to the murder rate), when life is shorter, when women had no choice (couldn’t work to support themselves) and when there was a stigma.
Marrying for romantic love as a concept is just a couple of centuries old. For thousands of years royalty, nobility, gentry, the landed classes, the bourgeoisie, and middle classes married for political alliances, power, more land, and wealth; and the classes below them – serfs, peasants, farmers, and working class had arranged marriages. In some parts of the world, arranged marriages still happen. Passion and romantic love were found outside marriage.
That should have been “very pointedly excluding Angelina and their CHILDREN in X’ well-wishes, thus showing she was generous, not petty and harboring a grudge.”
I should also note that finding love and passion outside marriage was a right reserved exclusively for men – some women did it too, but the penalty when caught was fatal, death by stoning, decapitation and other means. And women could also be framed when they became inconvenient to their husbands.
Sims, Angelina doesn’t go around pretending she’s spotless. That’s the rap her detractors try to put on her. She has freely admitted her mistakes – she doesn’t disown or excuse them. Shouldn’t Brad and Billy Bob be the ones to apologize? (Maybe they already have, I don’t know.)
Please see Joyce McFadden’s article: The Other Woman Can’t Break Up Your Marriage. It’s Impossible. It can be summed up in these sentences: “Obviously whoever participates in an affair is accountable for their actions, but that’s not the same thing as being accountable for the end of a marriage. If a husband is having an affair, it’s the husband who threatens the break up the marriage. If a wife is having an affair, it’s the wife.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joyce-mcfadden/the-other-woman-cant-brea_b_143364.html
And how would Angelina apologize exactly, “I’m sorry your fiancé/husband fell out of love with you and fell in love with me. We didn’t mean to fall in love.” Wouldn’t that be twisting the knife and digging it deeper in the case of X who’s still carrying the torch for Brad, and reopening a wound for Dern who’s happy with a new family? Wouldn’t they and everyone else think it’s presumptuous and outrageous? Angelina would be crucified. Apologies don’t always heal wounds, sometimes it’s just pouring salt into them.
As I said in an earlier post, no one has power over how I feel unless I give it to them. They may hurt me at first, but they can’t keep hurting me unless I hang on to the hurt and don’t let it go. I can hurt, I can heal, and I can move on – whether they’ve made amends or not. I can live a future life of happiness if Idon’t drag a ball and chain of a past full of hurts with me.
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Sims, Angelina doesn’t go around pretending she’s spotless…
Shouldn’t Brad and Billy Bob be the ones to apologize?…
“If a husband is having an affair, it’s the husband who threatens the break up the marriage. If a wife is having an affair, it’s the wife.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joyce-mcfadden/the-other-woman-cant-brea_b_143364.html
Apologies don’t always heal wounds, sometimes it’s just pouring salt into them.
I’m with Ligaya. Unlike her, I have heard the miscarriage rumors. However, I only heard them once. I didn’t believe them then and I don’t believe them now. I don’t remember the exact tab that printed those rumors, but I do remember that it was one of the most unreliable ones (I’m not sure, but I think it was either Star or The National Enquirer. While both have been right about a few things, they almost always get stuff wrong. Even when they DO get things right, it’s usually by accident.).
Also, like Ligaya, I think the miscarriage thing would have been re-hashed several times by now if there was any truth to it. Same goes for the thing about Jen wanting kids as soon as they were married but Brad wanting to wait.
Ligaya- I agree with your comments about Angie apologizing. I also want to add that, while I don’t know exactly what happened between Angie and BBT while he was still with Dern, I can’t see what Angie would have to apologize for in the case of Jen.
All three involved have said there was no physical cheating, and Brad, at least (I don’t know if Angie has or not), has stated that, basically, while he and Angie DID fall in love on the set of MMS, they didn’t act on those feelings until he and Jen had seperated (that’s also why I don’t think Angie’s Vogue comment in 2007 contradicted her and Brad’s earlier statement that “nothing happened”. It’s pretty obvious that, by “nothing happened”, they meant there was no affair.).
Therefore, all Angie would have to apoligize for is falling in love with Brad…and why should a person have to apologize for that? As other pittwatchers have said, you can’t control whether or not you fall in love with someone. Feelings aren’t a switch you can turn on and off whenever you want!
Very interesting comments, unlike on some other forums where all there is are unpleasant ‘attacks’ directed at either Jennifer or Angelina depending upon which ’side’ you are on. Brad seems to escape pretty much unscathed :for some reason the vitriol is mostly reserved for the two ladies involved.
The reports I mentioned previously, could be truths or lies – unless catergorically substantiated by the people involved, who knows for sure? It seems to depend upon whose ’side’ you’re on, as to which stories you believe.
For instance, I have seen people state, with absolute certainty, on forums that Angelina set her cap at Brad and went all out to get him, teasing him and flirting – this is not a substantiated fact, just an opinion which became, in the poster’s mind, true.
I have also seen comments stating, again with absolute certainty, that Jennifer was having an affair and that’s why the marriage failed- again this is not a substantiated fact, again this is an opinion which became, in the poster’s mind, true.
I suppose, if you’re on Jennifer’s side, you’ll believe the former and, if you’re on Angelina’s side, you’ll believe the latter – yet, it’s more often than not, nothing more than mischief making. They are frequently just ’stories’ written about individuals to whip things up and I personally believe that certain parts of the media won’t be happy until they get Jennifer and Angelina involved in a full on slanging match.
To clarify, the alleged miscarriage reports etc were several years ago, I believe they were in a couple of the UK papers and ‘celebrity’ mags. The reports about Jennifer wanting kids and Brad not were around the time they married: I am afraid I can’t recall what they appeared in but comments about them have been mentioned on various forums which sprung up after their separation and divorce.
My personal opinion is that none of us know anything for definite, (unless it’s a direct quote form the people involved) we only know what we choose to believe.
I do not believe that Jennifer deserves to be disrespected/slatted/pitied/ridiculed/dismissed any more than Angelina does – I also think that if Angelina is entitled to voice her opinion, as and when she sees fit to do so, then Jennifer is too. That’s only fair, isn’t it.
Thank you all for your comments in response to mine and for the very interesting discussion points raised here by posters.
Peace to all.
x
I’ve read somewhere here that “The woman lost her husband and was humiliated for the world to see”.WOW! Why was Jennifer humiliated? Since when getting divorced is humiliating? Painful, yes, but humiliating? And why was only Jennifer humiliated and not Brad too, since divorce is so humiliating and it involved the two of them? Whatever…
So, let’s see what Angie said: “We went to gun training together, which is an amazing thing to do for your actors to get them to know each other. The trust you suddenly have because there’s a live weapon…So because of that we became very aware of teamwork and trust so it’s kind of the perfect thing to make us a team…We were brought up together to do all these crazy things and I think we found this strange friendship and partnership that kind of just suddenly happened. I think a few months in I realized God, I cannot wait to get to work. Whether it was a shooting scene or arguing about a scene or gun practice or dance class, anything we had to do with each other, we just found a lot of joy in it together and a lot of real teamwork”. So no matter what people (or Jen) want to make out of this, it is clear – at least for me – that she was so excited to go to work because of the great collaboration she had with Brad on set and the fun things that came out of it and not because she was having sex with him every morning instead of breakfast
Further more, when she is asked to comment about the situation back then, she says (after a long pause observed by the interviewer) “I’m only being cautious because it involves so many people…We all go through these things in our lives – children, divorces, marriages, different relationships – and anybody can have an opinion about what is right or who’s evil or what they think is really secretly happening. But the reality is that it didn’t helped anybody involved – even if it was the person you thought you were taking sides with – to exploit it so much.” So she is cautious about this subject when it’s the case. That’s why I strongly believe that if that “God, I cannot wait to go to work” implied anything more than a great friendship and collaboration, she wouldn’t have said it. When people feel guilty about something, they tend to hide it. Of course, that friendship later developed into something more. But it was LATER! Even Angie says that “It took until, really, the end of the shot for us, I think, to realize that it might mean something more than we’d earlier allowed ourselves to believe.” So they both felt a strong connection and after talking so much on the set and discovering that they want similar things in life (as Angie says) they began to feel more than friendship towards each other, but they did not allowed themselves to act on those feelings. Why? Because Brad was married, that’s why. Falling in love is not something that you can control. Acting on it, it is if you are strong enough. And they were.
Ok, so what I have done here is pure speculation, because the only people on this earth that know what really happened are Brad and Angelina (and probably 2 or 3 more). But until it is proved otherwise, I choose to believe them that nothing happened until Brad filled for divorce. Of course, Jen is entitled to her feelings. She, as anyone else, has the right to fell and has the right to feel for as long as it takes. But this doesn’t mean that Angie doesn’t have the right to fully be Brad’s partner, to express her feelings about him and to remember how it all began for them. She has nothing to be ashamed or cautious about because it was nothing bad. If Jennifer expects Angelina to always be cautious and to have her in mind every time she talks about Brad, then she is way off line. And if you ask me, it is 100 times more “uncool” to make that statement (Jen’s statement, I mean) after four years. It totally seems that she is not over it yet. It’s like saying “I don’t care for how long you have been together, how many kids you have, how your life is, you still have to consider me”. It would have been more “cool” to just say something like “common, four years have passed. I’m over it. Get over it, too”. But her answer clearly shows that she still dwells on it and she probably feels that Brad and Angie owe her silence or something. As I have said, feeling that is her problem and her right, but showing to the world that almost 4 years and 6 kids later she is still not over it……she should have known better. As a woman, I consider this much more humiliating than divorce.
And one more thing. To all those Brad fans that say that Angie stole him from Jen. Excuse me, but to me this is like saying that Brad is kind of retarded or stupid. That he is no way capable of thinking for himself. If he wouldn’t have wanted to be with Angelina I am positive that he wouldn’t have been. No one can be forced to do something that he doesn’t want to. Angelina didn’t put a gun to his head and said “be with me or I’ll blow your brains” so quit making him the victim and her the villain. They both took the decision of being together and I am sure that they’ve tried as much as possible not to hurt anybody.
I have never been a ja fan, nor bp or aj. If you play in a movie and I can forget for awhile who you are and get into the movie, then I think you’ve done a great job. I am so sorry that jen can’t seem to get over the split between her and brad no matter how many times she says it, but, Brad and Angie love each other. Maybe they will stay together who knows. I don’t think she slept with Brad when he was still married to Jen. I think If Jen and his relationship had been strong and he was still in love with his wife, he would still be there now. People fall out of love everyday. How many vacations can you go on trying to fill-up your life? If she’s in love the she shouldn’t care if aj shouted from the roof top that she loves this man. I would just say more power to her and I wish her luck!!!. I’m happy and I’m glad everyone else is too.
I am an italian lady that adores Brad and Angelina for their films. I respect Jennifer Aniston and in Italy she is only known for the “Friends” series which I much enjoyed. I’d like to congratulate the admin and the visitors of this site for the respect they show on their comments. Very intelligent and mature people. My comment is that maybe Jennifer should have simply answered “that’s history can we get on with the rest of the interview” and not becuase I think she isn’t hurt but simply cause media are sharks and they will carry on this thing. I can’t stand the way journalists distort everything. It is much created.
By the way I really think their was no intrigate affair going on between Brad and Angie cause in the movie “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” you certainly don’t see it. They were probably sexually atttracted but hell who wouldn’t be with the pair of them but I’m sure they are not animals and kept control on that…. They probably got to know each other slowly and then realized they were in love but that does happen in real life and they are real people. It’s sad for Jen but she must move on… I like this site cause it’s not full of BS like in other places where comments are really disrespectful towards all 3 of them.